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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[最近刚读完的一本书，全名是“Conversations with Lacan: Seven Lectures for Understanding Lacan”。拉康相关的书已经读了十几本，这是唯一一本让我在学习之余还想大呼过瘾的。可能因为作者母语是意大利语的关系，他在句法和措辞上和英语母语的作者有着很明显的不同。而正是这种异质性，让我难以忽略那些古怪新奇的词汇和句式——不得不停下来查询词典或者反复品味，这在我读Fink时是完全不曾有过的。当然，比起写作手法，这本书最具魅力的莫过于其中div class=&#34;tooltip&#34;狡黠span class=&#34;tooltiptext&#34; style=&#34;width:max-content&#34;傲娇/span/div的思想了。&#xA;---&#xA;&#xA;以下原文摘编自第一章和最后一章 ：&#xA;&#xA;  Between 1967 and 1974 I followed the seminar of Jacques Lacan. I met Lacan several times in public situations, but I never considered going into analysis with him, for reasons I shall explain later. &#xA;&#xA;  The reader could rightly ask: “so, Benvenuto, are you or aren&#39;t you a Lacanian?”&#xA;&#xA;  In my youth I was a fervent Lacan fan. Then, after overcoming my transference with him, I stopped being one, and for me he was no longer the subject supposed to know. As we said, for Lacan transference occurs because the analyst is considered a subject supposed to know. But my “analysis” with Lacan ended long ago. Which is not to say that someone who has ended an analysis has necessarily been cured.&#xA;&#xA;  I&#39;m not a Lacanian, but let&#39;s say that I love Lacan. Lacan himself said that we should love our symptom, and, indeed, I love Lacan as my symptom. But, as one does with a symptom, I keep at a necessary distance from him, with a sort of pain. Lacan is my joy and my pain.&#xA;Lacan said, “Do as I do: don&#39;t imitate me.” In this case Lacan isn&#39;t very surprising; several masters in various fields have said very similar things. Apparently Marx said he wasn&#39;t a Marxist while Jung said “thank God, I&#39;m Jung, and not a Jungian!” And so on, and so on. The master&#39;s refusal to be a “-ian” or an “-ist” of himself has become a sort of stereotype. And part of the very structure of “being a master” is a certain self-consoling contempt towards one&#39;s pupils, even the most loved ones. In any case, it&#39;s true that I am not a Lacanian precisely because I prefer to do as Lacan did: i.e. I also try to separate from my masters, including Lacan. I am a practical Lacanist, not a theoretical one.&#xA;&#xA;  --Conversations with Lacan (2020), Sergio Benvenuto&#xA;&#xA;---&#xA;&#xA;简单的翻译：&#xA;&#xA;在1967年到1974年间，我曾参加过雅克拉康的研讨班。我曾多次在公共场合遇见过拉康，但从来没有考虑过找他做分析，至于原因我在后面会说到。&#xA;&#xA;有读者可能会问我“那你到底是不是个拉康派呢，本韦努托？”&#xA;在我年轻的时候我曾是拉康的死忠粉，但随着我逐渐跨越了对他的这份移情，我也不再是以往那样了，对我来说他已经不再是那个知晓答案的主体了。正如我们所讨论过的，拉康式移情的产生源自分析师被当成了一个知晓答案的主体，而我与拉康之间的“分析”早已结束太久。不过，并不是说分析的结束就必然意味着痊愈。&#xA;&#xA;我不是一个拉康派，但可以说我爱拉康。拉康亲口说过我们应该爱我们的症状，以及，诚然，我爱拉康作为我的症状。然而，作为人的一种症状，我必须与他保持好距离，并为此而痛苦。拉康既是我的享乐也是我的痛苦。&#xA;拉康说过“做我所做的事，但不要模仿我。”，他说出这样的话并不出乎意料——其他领域的诸多大师也说过类似的话。&#xA;显然马克思说过他不是马克思主义者，同样荣格也说过“谢天谢地我是荣格，而不是什么荣格派！”div class=&#34;tooltip&#34;等等，不一而足。span class=&#34;tooltiptext&#34; style=&#34;width:max-content&#34;And so on, and so on/span/div这些大师都拒绝成为“xx派”或“xx主义者”这类带有偏见性的自己的名号。然而，追随者们轻浮的自我安慰这正是“作为大师”这个结构的一环，即便对于那些最受爱戴的人也是如此。反正毋庸置疑我并非拉康派，确切来说是我更愿意行拉康之事——即我愿意和我的导师们分离，包括拉康。因为我是一名拉康主义的践行者，而非理论派。&#xA;&#xA;——对话拉康 (2020), 塞尔吉奥·本韦努托&#xA;&#xA;---&#xA;&#xA;精神病理与防卫机制&#xA;&#xA;Table From ”Conversations with Lacan“, P. 127&#xA;&#xA;| Psychopathology                                              | Type of Negation                                             |&#xA;| ------------------------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------------------------------------ |&#xA;| NEUROSISbr /  - Phobiabr /  - Hysteria (Borderline Personality)br /  - Obsessional | REPRESSION (Verdrängung, Displacement)                       |&#xA;| PERVERSIONSbr /  - Fetishism–Masochismbr /  - Sadism, Sadomasochismbr /  - Voyeurism–Exhibitionism, Zoophilia, frotteurism, pedophilia, coprophilia | DISAVOWAL (Verleugnung)                                      |&#xA;| PSYCHOSISbr /  - PARANOIASbr /    - Persecution Delusionbr /    - Megalomaniac Delusionbr /    - Erotomaniabr /    - Jealousy Delusion  (querulous paranoia) br /  - SCHIZOPHRENIASbr /  - MELANCHOLIA (MANIC-DEPRESSIVE) | FORECLOSURE (Verwerfung)br /  seizure of the Name-of-the-Father |&#xA;&#xA;翻译参考自《拉康精神分析介绍性辞典》、维基百科&#xA;&#xA;| 精神病理/机能障碍                                            | 防御方式/防卫机制               |&#xA;| ------------------------------------------------------------ | ------------------------------- |&#xA;| 神经症br /  - 恐怖/恐惧症br /  - 癔症/歇斯底里 (边缘型人格/BPD)br /  - 强迫症 | 压抑/移置                       |&#xA;| 性倒错/变态br /  - 恋物癖–受虐狂br /  - 施虐狂、施虐受虐狂br /  - 窥阴癖/窥视症–露阴癖/暴露狂br /  - 恋兽癖、摩擦癖、恋童癖、嗜粪癖 | 否认                            |&#xA;| 精神病br /  - 偏执狂br /    - 迫害妄想br /    - 自大狂妄想 (自恋型人格/NPD) br /    - 恋爱/被爱妄想br /    - 嫉妒妄想 (抱怨偏执) br /  - 精神分裂症br /  - 忧郁/躁郁症 (双相情感障碍/BD) | 排除/拒斥br /  对父之名的弃绝 |&#xA;&#xA;#摘录 #翻译 #对话拉康 #拉康 #精神分析 #读书&#xA;&#xA;]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>最近刚读完的一本书，全名是“Conversations with Lacan: Seven Lectures for Understanding Lacan”。拉康相关的书已经读了十几本，这是唯一一本让我在学习之余还想大呼过瘾的。可能因为作者母语是意大利语的关系，他在句法和措辞上和英语母语的作者有着很明显的不同。而正是这种异质性，让我难以忽略那些古怪新奇的词汇和句式——不得不停下来查询词典或者反复品味，这在我读Fink时是完全不曾有过的。当然，比起写作手法，这本书最具魅力的莫过于其中<div class="tooltip">狡黠<span class="tooltiptext" style="width:max-content">傲娇</span></div>的思想了。</p>

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<p>以下原文摘编自第一章和最后一章 ：</p>

<blockquote><p>Between 1967 and 1974 I followed the seminar of Jacques Lacan. I met Lacan several times in public situations, but I never considered going into analysis with him, for reasons I shall explain later.</p>

<p>The reader could rightly ask: “so, Benvenuto, are you or aren&#39;t you a Lacanian?”</p>

<p>In my youth I was a fervent Lacan fan. Then, after overcoming my transference with him, I stopped being one, and for me he was no longer the subject supposed to know. As we said, for Lacan transference occurs because the analyst is considered a subject supposed to know. But my “analysis” with Lacan ended long ago. Which is not to say that someone who has ended an analysis has necessarily been cured.</p>

<p>I&#39;m not a Lacanian, but let&#39;s say that I love Lacan. Lacan himself said that we should love our symptom, and, indeed, I love Lacan as my symptom. But, as one does with a symptom, I keep at a necessary distance from him, with a sort of pain. Lacan is my joy and my pain.
Lacan said, “Do as I do: don&#39;t imitate me.” In this case Lacan isn&#39;t very surprising; several masters in various fields have said very similar things. Apparently Marx said he wasn&#39;t a Marxist while Jung said “thank God, I&#39;m Jung, and not a Jungian!” And so on, and so on. The master&#39;s refusal to be a “-ian” or an “-ist” of himself has become a sort of stereotype. And part of the very structure of “being a master” is a certain self-consoling contempt towards one&#39;s pupils, even the most loved ones. In any case, it&#39;s true that I am not a Lacanian precisely because I prefer to do as Lacan did: i.e. I also try to separate from my masters, including Lacan. I am a practical Lacanist, not a theoretical one.</p>

<p>—Conversations with Lacan (2020), Sergio Benvenuto</p></blockquote>

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<p>简单的翻译：</p>

<p>在1967年到1974年间，我曾参加过雅克拉康的研讨班。我曾多次在公共场合遇见过拉康，但从来没有考虑过找他做分析，至于原因我在后面会说到。</p>

<p>有读者可能会问我“那你到底是不是个拉康派呢，本韦努托？”
在我年轻的时候我曾是拉康的死忠粉，但随着我逐渐跨越了对他的这份移情，我也不再是以往那样了，对我来说他已经不再是那个知晓答案的主体了。正如我们所讨论过的，拉康式移情的产生源自分析师被当成了一个知晓答案的主体，而我与拉康之间的“分析”早已结束太久。不过，并不是说分析的结束就必然意味着痊愈。</p>

<p>我不是一个拉康派，但可以说我爱拉康。拉康亲口说过我们应该爱我们的症状，以及，诚然，我爱拉康作为我的症状。然而，作为人的一种症状，我必须与他保持好距离，并为此而痛苦。拉康既是我的享乐也是我的痛苦。
拉康说过“做我所做的事，但不要模仿我。”，他说出这样的话并不出乎意料——其他领域的诸多大师也说过类似的话。
显然马克思说过他不是马克思主义者，同样荣格也说过“谢天谢地我是荣格，而不是什么荣格派！”<div class="tooltip">等等，不一而足。<span class="tooltiptext" style="width:max-content">And so on, and so on</span></div>这些大师都拒绝成为“xx派”或“xx主义者”这类带有偏见性的自己的名号。然而，追随者们轻浮的自我安慰这正是“作为大师”这个结构的一环，即便对于那些最受爱戴的人也是如此。反正毋庸置疑我并非拉康派，确切来说是我更愿意行拉康之事——即我愿意和我的导师们分离，包括拉康。因为我是一名拉康主义的践行者，而非理论派。</p>

<p>——对话拉康 (2020), 塞尔吉奥·本韦努托</p>

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<p><a href="https://files.catbox.moe/2xypur.png" rel="nofollow">精神病理与防卫机制</a></p>

<p>Table From ”Conversations with Lacan“, P. 127</p>

<table>
<thead>
<tr>
<th>Psychopathology</th>
<th>Type of Negation</th>
</tr>
</thead>

<tbody>
<tr>
<td>NEUROSIS<br/>  – Phobia<br/>  – Hysteria (Borderline Personality)<br/>  – Obsessional</td>
<td>REPRESSION (Verdrängung, Displacement)</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>PERVERSIONS<br/>  – Fetishism–Masochism<br/>  – Sadism, Sadomasochism<br/>  – Voyeurism–Exhibitionism, Zoophilia, frotteurism, pedophilia, coprophilia</td>
<td>DISAVOWAL (Verleugnung)</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>PSYCHOSIS<br/>  – PARANOIAS<br/>    – Persecution Delusion<br/>    – Megalomaniac Delusion<br/>    – Erotomania<br/>    – Jealousy Delusion  (querulous paranoia) <br/>  – SCHIZOPHRENIAS<br/>  – MELANCHOLIA (MANIC-DEPRESSIVE)</td>
<td>FORECLOSURE (Verwerfung)<br/>  seizure of the Name-of-the-Father</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

<p>翻译参考自《拉康精神分析介绍性辞典》、维基百科</p>

<table>
<thead>
<tr>
<th>精神病理/机能障碍</th>
<th>防御方式/防卫机制</th>
</tr>
</thead>

<tbody>
<tr>
<td>神经症<br/>  – 恐怖/恐惧症<br/>  – 癔症/歇斯底里 (边缘型人格/BPD)<br/>  – 强迫症</td>
<td>压抑/移置</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>性倒错/变态<br/>  – 恋物癖–受虐狂<br/>  – 施虐狂、施虐受虐狂<br/>  – 窥阴癖/窥视症–露阴癖/暴露狂<br/>  – 恋兽癖、摩擦癖、恋童癖、嗜粪癖</td>
<td>否认</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>精神病<br/>  – 偏执狂<br/>    – 迫害妄想<br/>    – 自大狂妄想 (自恋型人格/NPD) <br/>    – 恋爱/被爱妄想<br/>    – 嫉妒妄想 (抱怨偏执) <br/>  – 精神分裂症<br/>  – 忧郁/躁郁症 (双相情感障碍/BD)</td>
<td>排除/拒斥<br/>  对父之名的弃绝</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

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